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Most interesting. Thanks for sharing, @SquidgyAsh.
Just goes to show you that every physical and chemical thing that you do to a whisky changes it.
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Common sense really - if you remove ANY class of particle(s) from a compound, you change the way it will feel, taste, react with other compounds and how it's state will change when heated or cooled.
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Thanks guys :) Was a lot of fun doing the experiment, working on the 40%s now, so will be curious to see how those turn out!
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Thanks for sharing @SquidgyAsh - really appreciate your sharing of this information. Now where are we on the Zombie short film whisky reviews?
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I was under the impression that the 40 percenters would be chill-filtered by default, no?
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@MaltActivist Working on it buddy, working on it!!
@Sengjc Correct at that abv the whisky goes cloudy if not chill filtered...however the reason I plan on doing this is to take a whisky/several whiskies which I know very well, chill filter and drop the abv to that 40% to see just what happens when that's done with a normal whisky.
One of the interesting things that I found doing the first experiment was that I had the importers for both Adelphi and Gordon & MacPhail ask me if I'd be willing to give them the remainders of my samples (I did 100ml samples of each) as they were curious as to what would happen if you chill filtered whisky.
The biggest reason I'm doing this is there's myths/stories/rumors that go around in our community regarding NAS/Age/E150/Chill filtration/Cask strength/etc just as any community will have these sorts of topics of discussion relevant to their issues, however I've decided that instead of listening to one side of an argument or another (for chill filtration vs against) I'll do the experiments involving those issues, E150/Chill filtration etc and make up my own mind as opposed to letting anyone else do it for me.
It's been a lot of fun, even if it has blown through about 6 bottles of whisky so far, but I feel like I've gained a better understanding this awesome thing that we all love!
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@Jules Agreed, but for me it's how MUCH is removed and changed. Many companies will tell you it's done for purely aesthetic purposes, with little to no effect on the whisky, which I completely disagree with as I find all the whiskies diminished and my own cask was pretty much destroyed with the chill filtration.
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A while back my whisky club purchased our first cask of whisky, a 15 year old Highland Park from Gordon & MacPhail. Out of this cask I purchased 10 bottles and quickly polished off 3 in every sort of circumstance you can imagine, neat, water, rocks, ice, you name it....and due to that I grew to know this whisky like the back of my hand.....could tell when my palate wasn't spot on, when I was having a good day or a bad day.
Because of that I decided to do an experiment of chill filtering 3 whiskies that I knew well, my Dram Full Highland Park, Octomore 6.2 and a 7 year old sherried Adelphi Glenrothes bottled for Australia, and then chill filter. Afterwards I would do blind tastings with myself and other people to see what folks thought when they had no idea what they were tasting.
A few weeks ago I decided to take the plunge and do something that had been rattling around in my brain for the last several years and that was to chill filter my own whisky.
I did this following the trail blazed by my very good friend Matthew Fergusson-Stewart via his epistle on Malt Maniacs,
maltmaniacs.net/…/….
In essence I brought the temperature of these three bottles, the Dram Full Highland Park, Adelphi's Glenrothes 7 year old, and Bruichladdich's Octomore 6.2 to zero degrees, and then strained the whisky through multiple coffee filters until the whisky poured clean.
At zero degress all 3 whiskies were very cloudy, the Highland Park the most so, which allowed me to strain the fatty oils out easier.
Some observations, first off the Highland Park took the longest to strain, with the FIRST filtration taking roughly 5 minutes for 100mls to move through the filter.
Second they each took roughly 6 times through a filter to move cleanly through.
Third I chose these whiskies as I knew all three very well, and to be honest, nothing's sacred. I came within a nose hair of chill filtering a 30 year old single cask of Port Ellen, but decided I didn't have quite enough to make it worthwhile.
Fourth with all three whiskies, both in blind tastings and in known tastings, the chill filtered whisky performed more poorly then the non chill filtered whisky, although I reckon this is due to each whisky being as cask strength as opposed to the typical 40-46% abv.
Fifth all three chill filtered whiskies were MUCH hotter then the non chill filtered versions, with less flavor coming through, along with a much thinner mouthfeel. The Highland Park held up very poorly, becoming as described by several people as "smelling and tasting like acetone." The Adelphi Glenrothes and Bruichladdich Octomore 6.2 held up much better, being palatable, unlike the Highland Park, but losing a fair bit of their complexity, mouthfeel, flavor and aroma. However I expect this heat is why cask strength whiskies are never chill filtered.
Interesting note was that the importer for my cask, when initially told of my results, was VERY upset, thinking it was a slight against Gordon & MacPhail. Last week he came to my shop and tried the chill filtered Dram Full Highland Park which he imported for us, blind. He thought it was very young, incomplete and possibly under 3 years old Australian whisky....when I told him that it was our cask, which at 170 bottles we could have sold 3 times due to the rave reviews, he was in shock.
He has since contacted G & M and been informed that they typically chill filter at 7 degrees which could explain the heat in my chill filtration as mine was done at 0.
The abvs on the whiskies were: Dram Full Highland Park 15 year old bourbon barrel: 53.9% Adelphi Sherried 7 Year old Glenrothes: 67.6% Bruichladdich Octomore 6.2: 58.2%
Last my next goal is to now repeat the process with whiskies at roughly 40-46% to see how normal commercial whiskies hold up.